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This is the Politics and More podcast. I'm David Remnick.

Some years back during the Obama administration, I spent a lot of time interviewing Secretary

of State John Kerry for a profile that we published at the end of 2015. He was trying to

talk down tensions between Israel and the

Palestinians and to broker a peace in Syria. Carrie seemed to relish jobs that others might think

absolutely impossible. He is considered relentless, I wrote in 2015, sometimes to a fault.

There's no concealing his eagerness to make a deal.

To a critic, his style is reminiscent of the customer who sternly tells the salesman,

I'm not leaving here until you sell me a car. But if peace in the Middle East certainly alluded

Kerry, his current project seems a great deal harder still.

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