Hey, so before the podcast starts, I just want to say because John Hylamin and I get off on a really great series of tangents that I think are real moment stuff, but they're not of I just want to say, you know, both the circus of which he's executive producer and the recount of which he's founder and executive producer are amazing

content sources. The circus season 5 premiered Sunday night and is on Sunday nights at 8 p.m. Eastern time on

Showtime and the recount is a new platform for short-form video news analysis and

commentary on podcast at W. W.ount.com and I find it in this age it's great that the

recount just gives you these short bursts of knowledge that you can carry with

you about what is actually happening in the world.

Hylamin and I go deep on a lot of emotional stuff.

So hang on, hang in, hang out.

I promise never to say those three things again in that order because I'm a little embarrassed.

Enjoy the podcast.

Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Compleman. Thanks for listening. I am here with a dear friend, an actual real life dear friend.

This is his second appearance on the show, the world has shifted.

John Heiliman, you know him from Morning Joe, you know him from The Circus, which is his show.

You know him from Recount, which is a platform that he's

launched quite successfully. You might know him from his books. You might know him from

the magazine articles, the columns. You might just know him the table and tried making an ass of himself. You've tried to shush him but then it turns out he's six three and then he just slinked back to your table.

Six five.

As we saw a very famous writer I won't name once tried to do.

Yeah. He failed.

He got up from his table, you know.

And he was going to come over to Shush and then he saw, I think, what he was dealing with,

and he just went right back to his table.

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