Hey everybody, I'm talking to John Flansberg. You all know that though, because you tuned

into it. That's the thing. I'd like the intro's to a podcast to me. Oh, he seems silly because

you, it's not like you happen upon this. You know what I mean? I, I guess so. I don't

like you dropped your laptop and this came on. You know, although I think, you know, I mean,

just as an active podcast consumer myself, I find, I find that there is a lot of just sort

of exploratory stuff. Like I, I, you know, and I actually will listen to podcasts that

I have no idea what's happening. And so my favorite podcasts are people just talking

to each other who have no, like don't even have a like a toe hold on fame. And they're just

kind of, you know, like they're friends and they're, they're shooting the shit in this

way that friends shoot the shit. And I find that to be extremely comforting, especially

right now, right, right, right, having a lot of conversations myself. So it's just like,

it's just like having, you know, that that weird, familiar thing is, is really, really interesting.

Yeah, I'm not a, I'm not a big podcast consumer, but I do find that this sort of, the ones

that grab you are few and far between. Yeah. Well, I think it's a, yeah, it's not real.

People try, they try to be something that they're not a lot of the times in podcasting,

which I think is a mistake. They're trying to be, you know, they're trying to be some kind

of, uh, or similar to some kind of witty person that they admire, who's, you know, as a job

as a witty person. And then do that. And it just, it's just better if you're yourself, you

know, yeah. Well, I mean, I think that's, you know, there are definitely like some, you

know, kind of climbing ones that try to be more like radio shows. I, you know, personally,

I like the weird, lumpy ones, but I understand that a lot of people probably just think it's,

uh, dead air. But I've got, I know, I know that you're, you're asking the questions and

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