Hello and welcome back to Beyond the To Do List, a podcast about productivity. I'm your host,

Eric Fisher, and in this conversation, we are continuing to revisit a previous conversation

that I had. This is part two with my friend, Dr. John Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. And in part two, we're

continuing to talk about the rule of life and move from the big picture ideas we introduced in part

one, which if you missed that, go back to the previous episode and jump in there first, and then

come back here as we continue to talk about the how-to of building rhythms that create space

for rest, reflection, renewal, things like monthly desert days, quarterly and

annual retreat rhythms, and the difference between vacation, visitation, and vocation.

I know you're going to love that.

This conversation is full of practical wisdom brought by John.

And it's not a rigid formula, but again, an invitation to start where you can and when

you can and pay attention, gain greater awareness, and start to practice rethinking the

Sabbath, weekly rhythms, and overall, avoiding burnout by building a more grounded,

life-giving rule of life. I know I need more of that in my life right now, and I think you do too.

So, enjoy this conversation with John Drury.

All right, so picking back up here, we were talking about the Sabbath, and that's the weekly. You said the daily. Let's go to monthly. And this one I actually really, really like. I think this is one that might be, well, no, Sabbath would be the one that I would choose also, because I really think that's important. But starting that's where I started I mean like you said two hours that's the thing

the work week is a called the work week yes right and so that's an easier rhythm I think

some people might find our hard to do the same thing every day and find a way to fit that in

with like a daily thing but like a once a week. For some people daily

might be the last thing. Yeah. For some it's early on, you know. Yeah. I mean, I did, when I started

weekly, it was two hours Sunday afternoon. So it was on the first day of the week in my

religion tradition, the way we would name that. And I went and like, I don't know, I read Harry Potter. All I knew how to do was read, right? I was in graduate school at the time, right? So all I did was just read something fun instead of work. Instead of for work, yes. But it's like, come on, I have a little imagination, John. It took me like a couple months of doing that to remember I was a musician. But I already had the time set aside.

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