Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

lamenting the advent of digital recording or else a scrappy upstart,

lamenting the inability to master an entire album via a smartphone app, this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of May 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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