Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop, I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs

of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, composing instrumental

sonatas on your priceless pre-war Martin or else a scrappy upstart, composing background

music for Grand Theft Auto on an OP1. This is your show because ultimately it is what

every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off, actually writing.

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