John Carlin Uses All the Tools
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 1 July 2016
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
Assistant Attorney General John Carlin has a new law review article on a "whole of government" and "all-tools" approach to national security cyber threats. He sat down with Benjamin Wittes this week to discuss the article and the progress the government has made in confronting bad cyber actors internationally.
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| 0:29.0 | Not only have we been able to do investigation and attribution, |
| 0:37.0 | we've been able to do it with sufficient confidence to make it public |
| 0:41.0 | and in many instances to bring criminal cases which have the highest burden |
| 0:45.0 | of proof in our system beyond that we're confident that we could prove something |
| 0:49.0 | to be unreasonable. |
| 0:50.0 | Now, look at what we've done in a relatively short period of time |
| 0:53.0 | of trying this new approach. |
| 0:55.0 | We brought charges against five members of the People's Liberation Army, |
| 0:59.0 | Unit 61398. |
| 1:01.0 | We've brought charges against the Syrian Electronic Army. |
| 1:04.0 | We've caught members who on behalf of the Islamic State in the Levant, |
| 1:10.0 | stole personal identifiable information in order to pass it to terrorists |
| 1:14.0 | so they could call through it to figure out who the government employees were |
| 1:18.0 | so they could put a call out to kill them. |
| 1:21.0 | We've shown across this range of actors, we did it with such specificity |
| 1:26.0 | that by name and most of those instances we can charge them. |
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