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John Batchelor 09-03 segment 12.mp3 Guest: Bob Zimmerman who keeps the website Behind the Black. NASA Unionization and SpaceX Milestones Bob Zimmerman addresses the recent executive order by President Trumpeliminating unions at NASA and other agencies, ar

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 5 minutes

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John Batchelor 09-03 segment 12.mp3 Guest: Bob Zimmerman who keeps the website Behind the Black. NASA Unionization and SpaceX Milestones Bob Zimmerman addresses the recent executive order by President Trumpeliminating unions at NASA and other agencies, arguing that government unions are inefficient and costly. He then praises SpaceX's achievements, including a Falcon 9 first stage completing its 30th flight—a new reuse record. Zimmerman notes SpaceX is significantly reducing launch costs and enabling new space technologies like Starlink, also mentioning the reuse of a Starship super heavy booster
1958.

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This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel. Bob Zimmerman, he keeps the website behind

0:28.7

the black. We're headed to Washington. NASA is a very successful agency of the executive

0:35.0

branch of the government. At one time, many decades ago, a decision was made by the executive.

0:42.2

I believe John Kennedy was the president at the time to unionize government employees at some level.

0:49.2

There are lots of rules.

0:50.8

It never occurred to me that NASA was unionized.

0:53.7

Is that correct? Yes, Kennedy issued a

0:57.3

executive order of allowing government unions to exist. And those unions spread throughout the

1:05.5

entire federal government. It never made any sense to unionize government workers because it's not like a private enterprise.

1:12.6

The money government gets is done by coercion, tax dollars.

1:16.6

It's not profit.

1:17.6

And so there's no incentive to argue aggressively with the union.

1:21.6

And so governments have been routinely with unions giving them really beautiful deals,

1:26.6

which have put the nation

1:28.9

in debt and cost the tax very a lot of money and doesn't produce good government in the

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