John Barnes: Liverpool's Greatest Footballer on Racism & Free Speech
Disruptors
Rob Moore
4.8 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 30 January 2023
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
Famous footballer John Barnes joins the podcast for a second time to be interviewed. John talks to Rob honestly and openly in this nothing-off-limits interview, including why many people are racists, free speech and why context and nuance are everything.
John reveals:
- Why we are all biased, be it due to race, sex or religion
- Why people are wrong about Liam Neeson
- His thoughts on Megan Markle and the press
- What real freedom of speech is
Also featured
- Rob and John’s thoughts on the uncomfortable truth about racism
- Why politics should be kept out of Sport
- How and why John would amend footballers' pay
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“I’m not racist, I’m not homophobic but in many respects, we are all one of those things to a certain degree and that’s the uncomfortable truth”
“It’s absolving the people who can really do something, from doing something”
“Salary cap would be the best thing for football”
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| 0:00.0 | Because it's such a horrible world racism that people just turn away from it straight away. |
| 0:03.4 | They go, I'm not racist or I'm not sexist, I'm not homophobic. |
| 0:06.1 | But in many respects, we are all one of those things for a certain degree. |
| 0:10.5 | John, what is the uncomfortable truth about racism? |
| 0:15.6 | There isn't one uncomfortable truth. |
| 0:17.3 | But I think the main thing is that we all have to understand, |
| 0:19.8 | and when I say racism is about bias generally, |
| 0:21.6 | so it could be sexism, homophobia. |
| 0:24.2 | Not just from a gender point of view, |
| 0:25.8 | but really just bias is the fact that we are all biased, |
| 0:29.0 | be it race, sex, religion, to a certain extent. |
| 0:33.6 | So it's not binary, it's not either we are or we aren't. |
| 0:37.2 | Because we are all to a certain extent, |
| 0:39.8 | because of the way we have been conditioned to think, |
| 0:41.8 | not just from also politically. |
| 0:43.4 | So I don't know why it is... |
| 0:45.8 | Because it's such a horrible world racism that people just turn away from it straight away. |
| 0:49.4 | They go, I'm not racist or I'm not sexist, I'm not homophobic. |
| 0:52.6 | But in many respects, we are all one of those things for a certain degree. |
| 0:56.2 | And that's the uncomfortable truth |
| 0:57.2 | because we want to think that if you're racist, |
| 0:59.6 | you have to remember the Ku Klux Klan, |
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