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Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Podcast & Blast with Hal Herring

Joel Gay with NM BHA and Jesse Deubel and Ray Trejo with the New Mexico Wildlife Federation

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Podcast & Blast with Hal Herring

Zack Williams

Outdoors, Wilderness, Sports, Fishing, Outdoor, Hunting, Sports & Recreation

4.6853 Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2021

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Summary

Everybody knows that wildlife in the United States is owned by all of us. Elk, deer and other species are held in the public trust, period. But what happens when publicly owned big game is commercialized – and when hunting opportunity for public wildlife is sold to the highest bidder? What happens when so-called “private land” licenses can be used on public land? Some Western states are grappling with those questions now, but New Mexico public land elk hunters have been living under these conditions for years. Hal takes a deep dive into the byzantine regulations of elk hunting in New Mexico with three local hunters – Joel Gay with NM BHA and Jesse Deubel and Ray Trejo with the New Mexico Wildlife Federation – including what lies ahead for New Mexico and what other states should consider before going down the same road. Tune in for this cautionary tale about the commercialization of a valuable public resource: elk.

0:01:52 Intro
0:04:01 Background
0:14:45 Anti Donation Clause
0:18:20 IPRA and Obfuscation
0:20:13 Responsibility to NM Residents
0:24:28 The restoration paid for by public
0:27:35 High Quality of NM hunting
0:31:31 The low draw odds for the public
0:35:57 History of the draw odds and guide set-asides
0:44:11 Marketing property with Landowner Tags
0:46:04 Privatization of Public Resource
0:49:21 NM Depredation Law
0:52:33 NM Depredation Fund
0:55:29 Conservation is not convenient
0:55:59 The NM draw system is privatized, complex and obscure
1:01:03 Entitlements and Politics
1:02:52 What would a solution look like?
1:12:33 What can people do?
1:16:32 NM Legislative Finance Committee Audit
1:20:37 RAWA and NM Landowner Tag Funding
1:24:04 NM Game Commission Politics
1:32:34 NM 2021 Hunting Plans

Transcript

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0:00.0

We pushed against this since 1776.

0:04.3

Oh yeah, since the Magna Carta.

0:06.3

This goes back a long, long time.

0:08.4

This is not the King's Forest anymore.

0:10.4

You know, my grandfather would take me Elkhane and it was one of those things that we grew up doing so that you know we could continue to sustain our livelihood and now all of that has changed.

0:21.0

The reason is so many of our elk tags never even get to the public draw

0:27.2

when we get there. The landowners continually talk about, well we tolerate these animals

0:32.4

and they're destructive, but when you look at the real estate

0:34.5

listing, the first line of the listing is talking about the wildlife, is advertising and

0:39.9

marketing the wildlife. It's like they're marketing everything that they would tell us in a conversation is

0:45.4

problematic with their property but when it comes time to sell it when it comes time

0:49.1

to establish a value for it boy they they can't talk enough about the wildlife. The privatization of our

0:55.4

natural resources is something we simply can't tolerate, not in New Mexico and not anywhere.

1:00.3

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