Hey, thanks for showing up. I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything

show, affectionately known as Joe, where this season it is all about truth-telling, finding the good,

and showing up for our lives today no matter what has happened, even yesterday. Hey, quickly,

a big thank you to my partner, Dwell,

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through in your life, and most importantly, grow in your faith. Customize the voice you prefer,

choose your preferred translation. Dwell is just incredible. I listen to the

Bible through Dwell almost every morning. Link to Dwell is in my show notes or go to Lisa Whittle.com

forward slash Dwell, where you can sign up for our partner discount today. My goodness, this

interview, this woman, Kate Boller, she calls herself an incurable optimist.

I love that. She's also a Duke professor and a New York Times bestseller. Her new book,

No Cure for Being Human, where she talks about a lot of things, including her journey after being

diagnosed with stage four cancer, is just like her other writing, literally breathtaking.

Kate is one of my favorite writers, and I'm telling you, I'm picky.

So much I appreciate about her, her forthrightness, the way she views life, her faith, and all things.

You'll hear it all in this show, which was high up on my list of incredibly

life-giving interviews. So thrilled to run this conversation with Kate for you on Joe right now.

So for you as a listener say, Kate and I don't know each other.

So I feel like I need to tell people that.

I don't know.

And I don't know why.

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