Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a short practical podcast that mixes encouragement,

the Bible, how-toes, and fantastic interviews for the listener on the go. I'm Lisa Whittle, and I

welcome you to the Joe interview show with me, which I trust and pray will be time well spent.

Jenny Allen, my longtime friend and ministry comrade is our guest on Joe today, and I have a feeling that has some listeners pretty excited.

You may know Jenny as the visionary founder of The If Gathering, an author and Bible teacher, and now a podcaster herself.

She says she's having a blast with that, by the way.

Passionate and wildly encouraging, Jenny has had profound influence on so many of us in her global ministry.

She's on Joe today to talk about her new book, Get Out of Your Head, Stopping the Spiral of Toxic Thoughts.

Goodness, what a needed message.

And I'm so grateful for Jenny's voice leading the way in this important conversation.

I hope you're ready for a spirited conversation because Jenny and I don't know how to do it

any other way. Let's go.

Okay, Jenny, so we are doing this. We are doing this.

We're so excited to be here.

This is my first time to get to talk about the book, Lisa.

Oh, my gosh.

Well, that's kind of a special one and also a little bit scary because I know the first

time I talk about a new book, I'm timid.

Do you feel that way at all?

Totally. Yes, and it's out now, so it's that feeling of just, ah, like this is, it is, it's so

vulnerable, you know that.

Yes, it is very vulnerable.

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