Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a short practical podcast that mixes encouragement,

the Bible, how-toes, and fantastic interviews for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to the Joe interview show with me, which I trust and pray

will be time well spent.

Oh, boy, here we go.

You are in for a real treat today with this powerhouse

guest. When I was thinking about who I wanted to come on and talk about all things Jesus,

the first person who came to my mind was my guest today, Lisa Bevere. She's got a lot of

creed, best-selling author, co-founder of Messenger International, speaker, leader, mother of four sons, and spiritual mother to many.

But Lisa means much more to me personally because of something I tell her on today's show.

We talk about that and get into some incredible conversations that are crucial

to the church, women, and much of what I talk about in my new book, Jesus Over Everything.

I am beyond excited to welcome Lisa Bevere to the Jesus Over Everything show.

Well, I have to say, I don't have many bucket list interviews, but this is one for sure.

Absolute powerhouse author, Bible teacher.

My friend Lisa Bavir is on the show.

Lisa, what do the people have in store for them with two Jesus-loving Enneagram eight women talking today?

I don't know. I'm actually afraid. I don't even know what to say.

Listen, I think that I really this morning I prayed I'm like, Lord, I don't want to have too many

expectations because I know how excited I am to talk with Lisa and just hear from her.

But I know when I have great expectations, sometimes I build things up in my own head about the way I need to be.

And so I've really left it all open to the Lord.

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