Hey guys. How's it going? I hope you're doing great and feeling good about life,

even though that can be hard sometimes.

But welcome. Thanks for being here. Welcome to the Pillars podcast. I am Dylan Bowman. And today, I'm very excited to bring you a conversation with my old friend Joe Grant. For those who don't know,

Joe is an ultra runner and outdoor enthusiast

now residing in Durango, Colorado. He and I go way back, but he's a unique character in the

sport. He sort of occupies a unique space in the sport and that his approach is as artistic as it is athletic. He's known not only for

being a great runner, but also for being a great creative storyteller, a great photographer, and

sort of like a philosophical mountain adventurer. As I said, Joe and I have been friends a long time. In fact, we tell a fun

story from the earliest days of our friendship when I paced him at the 2011 hard rock, a memory that

is really fun to look back on, but that wasn't so pleasant in real time. So that was fun to share publicly. But I have a

tremendous amount of admiration for Joe. He was a personal inspiration of mine upon my

introduction to ultra running. And he's just been a great friend ever since. In this conversation,

we talk about Joe's move to Durango from his longtime residents in Boulder.

We reminisce a lot about the revolution and ultra running that we both lived through in the sort of early 2010s.

We talk about how the sport has changed in the last decade.

His recent projects and his artistic approach and the process of sort of like creating these different projects that he's tackled recently and that he has coming up in the near future.

Before we get to it, just a quick plug for our new app.

We are now officially one week into this new venture, and we are very happy with the initial reception.

So thanks to everybody who signed up, honestly, from the bottom of my heart, I so appreciate

the support.

For those who are interested or unfamiliar, you can download our new

app. It's called Pillars. It's available now in the iOS App Store and the Android version is

...