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Oh my gosh, I did not want my interview with Jody Patterson to end.

I had a feeling it was going to be great because I loved her book so much.

It's called The Bold World, a memoir of Family and Transformation. And it was so good. It's really one of my favorite memoirs of the whole year and probably of all time. But it was just, she's such a good writer. Anyway, here's her bio. Jody Patterson is a social activist, entrepreneur, and writer. She has been lauded for her activist work by Hillary Clinton, the advocate, family circle, essence, cosmopolitan, and Yahoo, among others. She works closely with a number of gender slash family slash human rights organizations, including serving as chair of the board of the Human Rights Capital Foundation and is a sought-after public speaker addressing a wide range of audiences about identity, gender, beauty, and entrepreneurship.

She was appointed by the United Nations as a champion for change, and perhaps most impressively, it says, this is in her bio, I'm not making this up.

She is a former circus acrobat who performed in the Big Apple Circus. She lives in Brooklyn, New York, where she co-parents her five children with love, education, and family solidarity.

Enjoy our conversation. I had the best time. And in some way, I'm going to continue this in some format.

So enjoy. Welcome, Jody. Thank you so much for coming on. Moms Don't have time to read books.

So classic. I love the name of your podcast. And I'm so happy here. And I'm glad that sometimes

we do actually have a moment to read. Me too. I don't know what I would do without books.

Yeah, I have a stack of books on the side of my bed and my desk in my living room. And sometimes

I just read, you know, two pages or something like that, which many years

that felt like a failure when I didn't, if I couldn't like finish the entire book, right? And now I just

really enjoy reading two pages, five pages. And so it takes, I mean, takes me forever to finish a book,

but just the process of reading without the pressure is really good. I totally agree. I

used to feel like if I didn't finish it in a certain amount of time, it was on my nightstand too

long, I had to shuffle it out because there were new books, and I was always feeling like disappointed

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