Hi, I'm Zivie Owens, and you're listening to the award-winning podcast, Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. Thanks so much for listening to my podcast. If you like what you hear, please follow me on Instagram at Zibi Owens and also at Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books.

Thanks so much for listening. Enjoy it. Today's episode was sponsored by Nest Notes, which is a company

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I'm here today with Bruce Filer, who's the author of six consecutive New York Times bestsellers, including The Secret of Happy Families, Walking the Bible, and Council of Dads, which is becoming a show on NBC.

His upcoming book is called Life is in the Transitions, Mastering Change in a Non-Linear Age.

He's known as one of America's most popular voices on contemporary life.

He's the host of two primetime series on PBS,

and his two TED Talks have been viewed more than two million times. A native of Savannah, Georgia,

Bruce lives in Brooklyn with his wife and twin daughters. Welcome, Bruce. Thanks so much for coming

on Mom's Don't have time to read books. My pleasure, as a dad who doesn't have time to read books,

I feel right at home.

We're all the same people.

I know. I feel bad always calling it moms. You know, it's not just for moms. It's really for anyone who's busy, anybody who caretakes. But I figured, you know, if I got the whole mom market, that wouldn't be too shabby. Well, my wife and I have to say, my wife and I have a saying that when we see somebody do something ham-handed in public and like stick their foot in their mouth or say something

obnoxious on social media, we say, that person needs a wife.

And about half the time that person is a woman, but like the wife is the one who says, like, are you kidding? Don't say that in

public. So we'll think of moms in a gender beyond the binary way. How about that? I love that.

Gender beyond the binary moms don't have time to read books. That has a nice ring to it.

Anyway, I have been a fan of yours, by the way, for a very long time.

I love your writing.

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