This is the Jocko Underground Podcast number 127 sitting here with Echo Charles.

I wanted to tell you that extreme ownership does not in itself make problems go away. I wanted to tell you that.

Here's the thing. Sometimes incorrectly people believe that when they take ownership

they're absolved of the wrongdoing.

This is not the case.

And it's actually kind of funny because we joked about this

and the teams before I solidified and crystallized

the idea and understood completely the idea of ownership.

I'd seen it.

You know, it Delta Charlie taking ownership of everything, right?

So you're seeing it, but you're not aware of.

You have to see, you ever, has somebody in Jiu-Jitsu,

they're doing something to you,

and you know something's happening, it's working but then after the role or two rolls or three

girls you're like hey what are you doing when I'm over here and they're like I'm pushing your hip out and you're like oh so eventually you know you have that realization well but I was watching guys like

tell to Charlie just taking ownership but I thought that was just kind of how he was

winning but I didn't really understand how he was winning but in the teams we would joke about it because even before I had that

comprehension guys would say like you know come back for the debrief after doing a an

iteration of CQC close quarters combat or a immediate action drill out in the desert or something.

Come back and, you know, Tradette would say like, hey, who, you know, hey who moved up on that berm over there and a guy

that was my boss and expecting like and there kind of was like if you acknowledged hey it was my

buster oh hey I'll take the hit on that one hey why did you guys push down that hallway

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