This is the Jocco Underground Podcast number 81

Echo Charles sitting across me so

About every month or so something like that I

Get someone at echelon front I get a client and we'll get this scenario that'll happen and we kind of

Hinted about it on the last podcast that we did the last underground podcast that we did

You know you got the the client Jim who's the boss and he's in charge of you know Fred one of the employees and

What's interesting when you're national front you talked to everybody in the chain command you know you talked the

The C suite you talked the mid-level managers you talked the frontline troopers so you get input from everyone you kind of know what's going on and

You get it from a few different angles so anyways you have this bad relationship here between Jim and Fred

Bad communication, you know things were breaking down. This is kind of brewing over time and

So Jim the boss you know he's gonna sort it out

And so he has you know he has a call with Fred he tells me you know like I'm gonna call Fred and

He gets you know whatever next day calls me up. Yeah

I had a great a great conversation with Fred and

And you know I kind of I kind of know Jim

I'm like you know been talking to him and so I kind of know what to expect a little bit

So I asked him a simple question. I just said oh great conversation. He's like yeah, I go how much did you talk Jim?

And I want you to Fred talk

And it was silence

Because when I asked that question he knew

He knew Jim knew that on that conversation with Fred Jim had talked 90% of the time

I said how much you know, he I said I said how much did you talk how much did he talk and he was quiet and he said I talked too much

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