This is Jocco Underground Podcast sitting here with Echo Charles.

Kind of going off the last underground podcast that we did and I was talking about, you know,

basically things are bothering people, you can let things get under your skin.

So there's a song by a band called Black Flag.

The song is called Rise Above and the lyrics, I got the lyrics, I wrote down some of the lyrics here.

Jealous cowards try to control, rise above, we're gonna rise above. They distort what we say.

Rise above, we're gonna rise above. Try and stop what we do. Rise above, we're gonna rise above.

That's the general consensus of the song, general theme of the song, right? Black Flag

was sort of the, it's one of the pioneers of making punk rock and kind of turning it into hard core,

which is two small musical genres. And so therefore Black Flag had a pretty big influence on my life,

had a pretty big influence on the music that I listened to. A lot of the music that I listened to

wouldn't really exist if it wasn't for Black Flag. Greg Ginn, that album that that song came

out on Rise Above, it's called Damage. This is the first album that they put out with Henry

Rollins singing. Well, maybe a couple a month ago or something, it popped up on my playlist,

you know, and I was rocking. And I realized how important that idea is for so many situations

that we get into. And the idea I'm talking about isn't really what the song is about. What the

song is about is sort of like a rebellion song. Like we're gonna rise up against them. And I get it,

I get that that's what the song is about. The song is about don't let the man keep you down.

Don't let the man keep you down, we're gonna rise above. That's what the song is about. And I get it

cool. But I kind of was heard the song the other day and I started thinking about it from another

angle. And it's really the angle that I always took it as. I never really thought about the

political angle, which is what it is. And it's us against them. It's a rebellion song. I always,

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