This is the Jocco DMZ podcast episode one sitting here with Echo Charles.

So I get a random text from you Echo Charles get a random text from Echo and it says

the whole world thinks you're on steroids.

There's no context around it and I wrote back why is that or something along those lines.

And then you sent me the link to this YouTube video of more plates, more dates, which is

the YouTube channel.

And it's this video and they're trying to decipher whether I'm on steroids or on TRT.

So I laughed it was funny, it was funny.

And the like the subtitle of it is he trains three times a day, sleeps five hours and is

fucking huge.

That's the title of it.

And it's funny.

So I laughed a smile a little bit and it's kind of funny for me to people to think I'm on

steroids or on testosterone.

It's a good compliment because I'm not.

And I don't have anything, I don't have anything against people that do steroids unless you're

like competing in a sport where you're not supposed to do that kind of stuff.

And then I don't really, yeah, then you shouldn't do it, but I know a lot of people that are

on either are on steroids, have been on steroids.

I know a lot of people that have been on TRT, which is interestingly the fact what I'm

saying right now is one of the things that this guy, his name is Derek.

And I've watched a bunch of his videos before, randomly.

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