Welcome. This is Jocco Podcast number two with Echo Charles and me, Jocco

Willink. Good evening, I go. Good evening. So people ask me regularly what books

I like. In fact, Tim Ferris asked me, which he asks all of his guests, what

books I have given to people, what books I regularly give to people, how do I,

what books do I gift, which I actually am not a real big gift giver for some

reason. I don't know why, but I don't really expect gifts from people and people of

the world should not expect gifts from me either. Lessons not gifts. Yes,

yes, yes. So, but there is one book that I have given to a few people in my life and it is a book

that was and still is very influential on me and especially on my perspective of leadership

and really especially in combat leadership. And that book is called About Face. Now, here it

is right here about face. If you can't, if you're listening to audio, it's an 800 over 800

page book. It's written by a guy named Colonel David Hackworth. Hackworth was a kind of a

soldier's soldier. And born in 1930, joined the Merchant Marines towards the end of World

War II at the age of 14 had the lie to get into the Merchant Marines. Got done with that

gig. He joined the army just after World War II. He was still too young.

Sorry, what do you mean he had the lie to get into the Merchant? So he was too young. He was

14 years old, he lied about his age to get in at 14 to the Merchant Marines when he went a

few years later to join the army. He was still too young and had to lie again to get into the army.

Once he was in the army, he went over to Europe and he served directly underneath the war-hardened

veterans of World War II. And those are the guys that brought him up in the ranks

and taught him about hard training. And really that's what they taught him. And again, that's one

of those things that I look back on my military career and the Vietnam veterans that were still

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