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I don't even really like the phrase self-help,

but I do think that people need help.

This is. people need help.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

For 14 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Jocelyn K. Gagly talks about how the internet can lead to burnout.

That's what's so problematic about the digital space is it assumes like an infinite capacity.

Here's Debbie. I'd like to thank two of the patrons that help make design matters possible.

Is your team designing an app from scratch, rethinking the

look and feel of your brand, maybe taking on something massive like transforming

your brand's entire customer journey?

Well, don't do it the old way, passing numberless one-off comps through endless emails.

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