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I'm writing to you about something that may come as a shock

and will certainly feel like it's fallen out of the clear blue sky.

My name is Danny Shapiro, and I'm a 54-year-old novelist,

memoirist, wife, and mother of a 17-year-old son.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from design observer.com.

For 14 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Danny Shapiro talks about her surprising genetic inheritance.

I had always felt other in the Shapiro family because I looked so other. Here's Debbie.

I'd like to thank two of the patrons that help make design matters possible.

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