Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Meditation Studio. I'm Patricia Carpus. In this series, we introduce you to real people with extraordinary stories and experts who share how meditation and mindfulness practices change our lives. Our podcast is brought to you by Meditation Studio, Apple's Pick, as one of the 10 best apps of the

year. Why download the app? Because life is messy. We get stressed, anxious, have trouble

sleeping. We work too hard. We deal with conflict. Our hearts get broken. We worry about the

state of the world. We meditate because we're human. Our app gives you hundreds

of meditations from over 30 leading experts. It helps a lot. And if you haven't tried the app yet,

you can now try it for free and explore a starter series plus a sample of some of our favorite

guided meditations in the Discover

collection. You may also want to check out our new meditation collections this year. Mindful

eating, work, authentic leadership, and a special collection just for college students. There's

also a new mindful work and sleep basics course.

If you've already got the app, check out our new unguided meditation timer

where you can create your own meditations with or without our brand new, pretty amazing music tracks.

And don't forget the aid free meditations on Alexa.

Just ask her to enable meditation studio.

Today's guest is Roshi Joan Halifax, a Buddhist teacher, Zen priest, medical anthropologist,

author and pioneer in the field of end-of-life care. She's the founder of Upaya Institute

and Zen Center in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Rushie Jones' most recent book is called Standing at the Edge, Finding Freedom Where Fear and Courage Meet.

It was such an honor to interview Joan Halifax.

Knowing her, meeting her, has been on my personal bucket list for as long as I can remember.

She's one of the greatest thought leaders of our time. She has cultivated so much wisdom in her life from years and years

of study, work, social activism, humanitarian work, and meditating. In this amazing book,

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