You're listening to The Great Simplification with Nate Higgins.

That's me.

On this show, we try to explore and simplify what's happening with energy, the economy, the environment, and our society.

Together with scientists, experts, and leaders, this show is about understanding the

bird's eye view of how everything fits together, where we go from here and what we can

do about it as a society and as individuals.

Joining me today is my longtime friend, colleague, board member, and muse, Joni Diamond.

Among other things, Joan runs the Millennium Alliance for Humanity in the Biosphere

at Stanford University, sits on several nonprofit boards, including energy in our future,

and has a long history of systemic risk analysis and expertise, particularly

on nuclear risk and energy issues.

Since Joan and I talk almost every day, it was strange to hit the record button for a

podcast, but I expect you'll enjoy and learn from this exchange, as I did.

May I introduce Joni Diamond.

Good morning. Aloha, my friend.

Good morning, Nate. Or I guess good afternoon to you.

Yes. So that background does not look like San Francisco.

It doesn't look like San Francisco. And it is Hawaii. And I'm both pleased and honored to be with you and explore these issues and see where we can go.

Well, thank you. So we have had literally hundreds of conversations, the two of us in the past decade or so.

Lots of magic and advice and converging on creative thoughts.

And this is the first one that we've hit the record button.

So I hope we can still talk as friends and colleagues and not worry about the fact we're being recorded.

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