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Hello and welcome to another episode of Happy Mom Happy Baby, the podcast. Today's guest

just chuffed that she agreed to do it because she's probably the only person on the list I asked.

I was genuinely genuinely worried that she was going to say no but she said yes. How could I say no

to that face? That smiley happy face. Who would disappoint? Please welcome. Hello.

Thank you for having me. I was very pleased to be asked. Oh thank you. So obviously your editor-in-chief

of Clamming Magazine which is an amazing magazine. Let's start there. Let's just commit that.

Yeah just put that down. It's just a fact. Thank you very much. I think it's you know we're all

very much about women supporting women and mothers supporting mothers and stuff and I think

having a magazine like that that is out there, even in the issue that I've read recently about

you know super heroes what they really look like and looking at all these different women and

you know the workplace and oh like just incredible actually. Thank you. Thank you.

So Joe has a daughter called Evie who is 12 so she's been there. She's been when we all have been

and I've got to say actually I have followed Joe on social media for quite a while. She's got

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