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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Jiore Craig: The Year Ahead Online (Everything is Broken)

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2025

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

John is joined by Jiore Craig—next-gen Democratic digital strategist, counter-disinformation specialist, and senior research fellow at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue—to discuss the role of social media in the 2024 election and where the political information ecosystem is headed in 2025. Jiore argues that, for all the focus on deep fakes, A.I., and foreign influence operations in last year's campaign, the online action that mattered more was subtler and more pervasive; the Harris campaign’s digital playbook was wildly out of date and the Trump team’s vastly more in tune with how voters consume information today; and the rise of right-leaning podcasts as a medium for reaching men (especially young men) should have surprised no one—complete with a must-hear deconstruction of the Jordan Peterson phenomenon. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Aloha and namaste everyone and welcome to Impolitic with John Heilman, a puck and an Odyssey joint featuring lively in depth, sometimes ever so slightly profane conversations with the people who roam the quarters of power and influence in America, weaving the warp and left of our politics and culture.

0:51.4

In the last episode of our series,

0:54.2

looking backwards, forwards, or both

0:56.1

at the biggest, most impactful, and important stories,

0:58.3

trends and ideas of 2024 in the cultural realms

1:01.7

on which our world pivots,

1:03.5

I talked with Kara Swisher about tech billionaires,

1:07.2

like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg,

1:10.4

who clearly see Donald Trump as their vehicle

1:12.4

to even vaster riches and greater power.

1:15.7

Their ticket to ride on the road from democracy to oligarchy.

1:20.6

Today, we follow up that conversation

1:22.7

and really get much more downstream of those plutocrats

1:28.7

in a conversation with Jory Craig,

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