Jimmy Carter, the Enneagram, and the Life That Comes After Striving, with Andrew Greer
Typology
Ian Morgan Cron
4.7 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 1 January 2026
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
What if your most meaningful work begins after you stop striving to prove yourself?
In this warm, wide-ranging conversation, I sit down with old friend, songwriter, filmmaker, and Enneagram Two Andrew Greer for a heartful exploration of loneliness, love, boundaries, creativity, and what it really means to live a good life.
Andrew opens up about the hidden sadness behind the Enneagram Two's gift for connection—the ache that often fuels the desire to help, anticipate, and care for others. Together, we unpack how pride, control, and fear of being a burden can quietly shape relationships, and how learning to receive may be the most courageous spiritual practice of all.
We also dive into Andrew's new book, More Than a President, and explore Jimmy Carter as a quintessential Enneagram One—principled, disciplined, justice-driven, and far more impactful after the presidency than during it.
This episode is a meditation on personality, vocation, and maturity—on shifting focus from résumé to soul, from achievement to love, from striving to rest. It's thoughtful, funny, deeply human, and quietly challenging.
Pull up a chair. This one stays with you.
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About Andrew Greer
Author, musician, and filmmaker, Andrew Greer has published three books, released multiple chart-topping recordings, and directed the PBS documentary Plainspoken, a film inspired by the lives of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter and their neighbors in Plains, Georgia. A Texas native, and longtime Nashvillian, Greer now makes his home in Plains.
Website: https://www.andrew-greer.com/
New Book: http://sundayswithjimmycarter.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andrewbgreer/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/agreermusic
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| 0:00.0 | Hey folks and welcome to Typology, the show on which we explore the mystery of the human personality |
| 0:09.5 | and the great adventure all through the lens of the Enigram. |
| 0:13.6 | My name is Anthony Skinner, your producer and co-host. |
| 0:16.9 | Hey, I'm happy to have you here today, folks. |
| 0:18.7 | We've got an old friend joining us today. |
| 0:26.3 | Andrew Greer, Enneagram Type 2, author, musician, filmmaker. |
| 0:31.2 | He's published three books, released multiple chart-topping recordings. |
| 0:33.1 | Guys, a great songwriter. And he's directed the PBS documentary Plainspoken, a film inspired by the lives of Jimmy and |
| 0:40.2 | Rosalind Carter. |
| 0:41.3 | And he has a brand new book out called More Than a President Sundays with Jimmy Carter. |
| 0:47.5 | And this is where he's gone through and meticulously cataloged all of President Carter's Sunday school lessons, 40 years worth, and he brings |
| 0:57.8 | 15 lessons from the president's historic tenure of teaching Sunday school to this book. |
| 1:04.2 | Really, really cool. |
| 1:05.6 | We're so glad he's on the show. |
| 1:07.2 | As I said, he's a type 2, and we get into all things type 2 today and things type 1 as |
| 1:15.2 | we think Jimmy Carter is a type 1. So, Enneagram type 1. So fun interview. You're going to love this. |
| 1:22.6 | We get some behind-the-scenes stuff, some real sweet experiences that Andrew got to have with President Carter. So |
| 1:29.9 | glad you're here today, folks. That's it for me, Anthony Skinner. And now without any further |
| 1:34.0 | ado, here is the man of the hour, Ian Kron. |
| 1:45.9 | Hey, typology, friends. |
| 1:54.2 | Welcome back to the podcast on which we explore all things Enneagram, all things, personality, all things, the human adventure. |
| 1:56.9 | Today, an old friend of mine is here. Andrew Greer, Enneagram 2, author of the new book, More Than a President Sundays with Jimmy Carter. |
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