Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, with more number one hits than you have fingers

on your hands, or else a scrappy upstart, with more fingers on your hands than you have

dollars in your bank account, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer

seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the third Friday of July 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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