Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, hiring a publicist to get you into the

village voice or else a scrappy upstart, asking your friends to upvote you on a Reddit thread

about singer-songwriters, this is your show. Because ultimately, it is what every writer

seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

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