Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So whether you're a grizzled veteran, hiring a publicist to get you into the village voice

or else a scrappy upstart, asking your friends to upvote you on a reddit thread about singer

songwriters, this is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron

clad excuse to put off, actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the third Friday of July 2021 and I thank you for joining us.

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