Except, I said no, no, most personalities, there isn't a healthy version.

What? And I thought, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Maybe there is.

Hello, and welcome to the Psychology Podcast. Today we welcome Dr. Jim Fadiman on the show.

Jim is a psychologist, writer and lecturer who has been pioneering psychedelic research since the 1960s.

He's recognized as America's wisest and most respected authority on psychedelics and their use.

Jim received his bachelor and doctor degrees from Harvard and Stanford respectively.

Apart from psychedelics, he's also been involved in researching healthy

multiplicity for over 20 years. His newest book with Jordan Groober is called Your Symphony of

Cells, Discover and Understand More of Who We Are. In this episode, I talked to Jim about multiple

cells. The DSM says that having multiple personalities is a disorder, but Dr. Fadiman challenges this

notion. In fact, he believes that the opposite is the case. The multiplicity of cells is both normal

and healthy. It's not about having one super-self, but unifying the different parts of who we are.

We also discussed psychedelics, its effects on mental health, and how Abraham Maslow would have

viewed these mind-altering substances. It was an incredible opportunity to chat with Jim.

I respect him so much, and he's one of the few living people who actually knew Abraham Maslow

personally. In fact, Abe asked him to teach in his place when he went to Menwell Park during the

last couple years of his life. So this was a really deeply personal episode for me, and I think

he'll be inspired as well. So without further ado, I bring you Jim Fadiman.

At the moment, I'm getting a little rush. You may know Michael Pollan has a series out.

Of course, yeah. So I'm in the first one. Oh, Netflix for a couple of minutes,

and maybe two minutes total, but I'm going to have very sweet notes from people I haven't heard

from in a decade. So congrats. Yeah, and everyone I know says, you look really healthy in that.

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