Now the good thing is, if the trauma was what happened to me that I'll never be the person

that wasn't, quote, abandoned by my mother all those years ago. But if the trauma is the wound

that I sustained which is that I'm not lovable, that I can overcome at any moment.

Hello and welcome to the Psychology Podcast. Today we welcome Dr. Gabor Matay to the show.

Dr. Matay is a physician-renowned speaker and best-selling author who is highly

solid after for his expertise on addiction, stress, and childhood development. For his groundbreaking

medical work and writing, he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country's highest civilian

distinction. He's also a co-developer of Compassionate Inquiry, a therapeutic approach for deep healing

and transformation. His new book is called The Myth of Normal, Trauma, Illness, and Healing in a

Toxic Culture. In this episode I talked to Dr. Matay about The Myth of Normal. Healthcare in

Western societies tend to focus on physical health without accounting for an individual's lived

experience. The tension between authenticity and attachment and the pressures of a capitalist

culture puts undue stress on our minds and bodies. Dr. Matay invites us to rethink trauma and disease

by emphasizing holistic well-being and the role of agency. We also touch on the topics of early

childhood, epigenetics, and self-improvement. This was a really meaningful chat for me,

with someone who I admire greatly. I really like the way he thinks about trauma and the way he

humanizes trauma. It's very much in line with my own humanistic perspective on healing and

importance of becoming whole. So that further ado, I bring you Dr. Gabor Matay. Dr. Gabor Matay,

wow, so great to have you on the psychology podcast. I wanted to talk to you for quite some time.

I really loved your latest book, and I was so excited to see a lot of areas of common interest,

including our admiration for Eric Fromp. There's a name you don't hear that much these days.

No, and I have to say that this book of mine, The Myth of Normal, is almost like a tribute to Fromp.

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