Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain sensing headband that helps you meditate and five-star app meditation studio.

I'm Patricia Carpus, your host along with my co-host this week, Muse co-founder Ariel Garten.

Before we get started, a reminder to check out our free meditations on Muse or meditation studio.

And if you and your family want to learn to meditate while you're at home or to do, check out our free meditations on Muse or Meditation Studio.

And if you and your family want to learn to meditate while you're at home or just deepen your practice, use the discount code Muse Stress Less for your Muse Headband at

ChooseMuse.com.

We're thinking of all of you and wishing you the very best.

Now on to today's episode with Ariel.

Hello everybody and welcome to another untangle. Today I have an extraordinary treat for you.

This is going to be so, so, so good. My guest today is the wonderful musician Jim Donovan.

You might know him from the rusted root and all of their incredible music, but Jim is also an incredible music healer.

He's devoted his life to helping people understand how the power of music can move our spirit, soul, and mood into better places.

And I figured there is no better thing I could give you right now than the treat of using

your own body, your own voice, and listening to Jim's beautiful sounds to help us get to

a better place in our minds, in our hearts, and in our lives.

So buckle up your seatbelt, put on your headphones, you are in for an audio treat today.

Welcome, Jim.

Hey there. How are you?

I'm phenomenal. How are you?

Right now, I'm feeling quite good. I'm really glad that I'm here. Awesome. So as setting up for this,

I got the honor of listening to little snippets of the kind of music you're going to share with us today.

I'm pretty excited. Yes, there's all kinds of fun stuff in store. I think maybe we can even do some

...