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I've been working on this for 25 years. It's a this This is a guest I did not know I would ever have, but we met and we hit it off very well as us lesbians tend to do. My guest this week is Jillian Michaels, fitness and media personality. People I think first got to know you from the biggest loser. Now you're a podcaster and gotten gotten to the political space you've been around for decades as a media personality. I've got a few dating me my god you've been around since the dark ages. This medieval times pre is ruined. I have a little type of trolling I do which is giving people sincere compliments and they don't know how to handle it So they get uncomfortable. So we're gonna do that with you in a second, but my first question is What do you know what kind of reputation you have like what do people think you're gonna be like when they meet you? They think I'm gonna be taller That's the one I get the most is I thought you'd be taller. To which I have learned to respond that I, in fact, have a towering personality. But literally right upon meeting me, they're like, you're kind of a short little troll, which... I've grown accustomed to you. What are you going to do?

And then I think it depends on the person.

So the people, of course, that have grown up hating me

are often surprised.

I'm not as bad as they thought.

And the people that have grown up loving me

are generally the ones that say, I think you'd be taller,

which I guess means I'm a disappointment at some level. Well, I thought you would be like a drill sergeant. Real, a dinner? Well, the thing is, I think you'd agree. I know a lot of people in the fitness space, and it takes a certain kind of mindset. And everyone has a little bit of a screw loose because that fitness face is often people compensating for some aspect that didn't go right in their lives. And this is like one part of their life that they can control and excel in and maybe sweep the other stuff under the rug. I think there's like if you're gonna not you but like guys you're spending all the time at the gym like it's not really about the gym like there's something else you know going on there, at a certain point, the benefits really, the cost that way the benefits, you're pretty quick. It's not that hard to get decent shape. But the thing is you're really not at all. You're really kind of bubbly and sweet and like humble. And I was gonna say also, you are really little. So it's really, and I'm little too, But it's just like this. It's just like, when you're really little, you're like, no, it's the gap kids. So it's like this little lady who's, it's who everyone is scared of. It's so funny. It's like a reverse puzzle. You know, you know, I used to love the fact that Madonna is also tiny. And she's five, two. Kim Kardashian, I recently learned is tiny. And it made me feel better because these are women. I always thought they would be five, seven, five, eight. I was like, at least I'm not alone in this category. You have to wonder though, if you're not overcompensating for the height thing a little bit, yeah, you've got to become that yappy little chihuahua. And I've tried in my older age to do the whole speak softly, carry the big stick thing, but nobody takes it seriously when you do beat tall. So I walk a fine line in communication skills, but I've never been described as bubbly Michael. You are the first.

Is that true? I think you might bring it out of here. I think I just, uh, I'm now I crushed out on you right away. That might be it. I think that's it. I do have that effect on people and I, you're not the first person to tell me this. I bring out this kind of kid-like side of people maybe because I'm child size as well. There's something

else that really kind of, so I didn't know what to make of you because I just met you.

And... I bring out this kind of kid-like side of people, maybe because I'm child size as well. There's something else that really kind of, so I didn't know what to make of you, because I just met you. And I was discussing this medical issue procedure I had, and it was a very aberrant result. And a lot of professionals were rocking a brain, and you got the answer right away. I'm like, oh, this broad knows what she's talking about. And it really impressed me. Someone else who's liked that is Dr. Drew, where Dr. Drew doesn't have a chip in a shoulder. He's very amiable. But as soon as you pull that string, it's like, oh my God, the amount of knowledge in his head is really about so many topics is really crazy and impressive. He's brilliant. I love him. He is the sweetest, most sensitive soul, but simultaneously a genius, double board certified physician. He's just right and he knows a lot about a lot. There's not a whole heck of a lot. Oh, you're about to get a cat butt in your house this Um, he's Cuban Uh, I guess I could be done waxing poetic about could you move your butt though? Thanks He's Cuban we found him on the freeway in Miami. So his name is Gato, which is blood and for cats. Case name hasn't known. My wife wanted to name him Tokyo Blue, which I just thought was beyond absurd to the point of exceeding the pretension of those Los Angeles parents that name their kids shit like Jeff fuel. So I was so mad that I I revolted and just called him like in Cat in Spanish. Isn't Tokyo blue like a type of heroin? No, because China white is either China-wide is either heroin or cocaine.

China-wide's hair, I want to take. Yeah.

Thank you.

So I'm gonna do this up right now.

So maybe she's telling you something you didn't want to know. I know. Well, he did use to have blue eyes when he was a baby. Where she got the Tokyo thing, I don't know. She's kind of obsessed with Japanese culture. Maybe she uses the toothache. I have no idea. She named um cat, Pierra, is Adora, and my other cat, sorry, we have two. And our Freckley dog, she named Memphis. I'm like, why, though? You're not an Elvis fan, and we don't live in Tennessee. And then I renamed him Bear, just because. So I don't know, we've got this, let's Taka word going with the pet names and probably Not information I needed to waste and fill your time with China white is a type of analog for a fentanyl Oh wow really Well, it's need to tow you a blue Michael. I don't know if that's it. that, let's look, let's look if that's something. Maybe that's MDMA. Don't tell me, I might, Cat is responsible for the death of like 100,000 Americans a year. No, it's an album by some guy named Najee, I don't know him. I don't know. Yeah, you'll see that's, that's, that's... Have you ever been to... You've been to Spain, right?

Yeah, a few times, actually. But both my son and my wife are obsessed with the culture. My son hasn't been, so of course that's his like dream of choice trip. I promised him when he turns 16, we'll go there. But both of them with the cuisine, the culture, the history, the fashion, the anime, it's almost like past life kind of strange obsession. I love it, but I'm not obsessed with it. I will tell you a Japanese story I haven't told anyone yet. I'm ready. So I was there in 2024 in April and I went to go because they do menswear better than Americans do because they did the old American style and they ramped it up, right? So I go to there's a street with all like, you know, American kind of clothes in the Japanese vein and there is a Jacket black denim jacket hanging over the cash register, right? So it's point of pride.

And I look and there's something written on the back

and spelled out. And I go, oh, I got to try that. I'm like, this is what, there's a lot of times I'll have something just to have because I don't know if I'll ever be wary, but I want to own it. And I'm like, I got to try that on. And the guys like, are you sure Westerners don't like this?

And I'm like, yeah, I have to try it on.

And it fit like a glove.

And I've only worn it, I worn it in Japan.

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