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The Best Ever CRE Show

JF 4039: Triple Net Leases, Industrial Sale-Leasebacks and Sponsor Diligence ft. Judd Dunning

The Best Ever CRE Show

Best Ever CRE

Business, Investing, Entrepreneurship

4.7996 Ratings

🗓️ 25 September 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s episode of Passive Income Playbook, Pascal Wagner interviews Judd Dunning. In this primer on triple-net sale-leasebacks, Judd breaks down gross vs. modified-gross vs. NNN/absolute NNN, why operating companies sell their real estate and lease it back, and how tenant credit and location drive risk and return. He compares NNN to self-storage, multifamily, office and retail, then outlines how industrial logistics and on-shoring are shaping today’s cap rates, spreads, and refinance outlook. You’ll also hear where LPs go wrong (sponsor vetting, re-lease assumptions) and how bonus depreciation can juice after-tax results on industrial deals with meaningful equipment bases. Judd DunningCurrent role: President, DWG Capital PartnersBased in: Los Angeles, CA & Fort Worth, TX Say hi to them at: LinkedIn | DWG Capital Partners Try Gusto today at gusto.com/CRE, and get three months free when you run your first payroll. This is a limited time offer, so head over to aspenfunds.us/bestever to download the investor deck—or grab their quick-start guide if you’re brand new to oil and gas investing. Visit investwithsunrise.com to learn more about investment opportunities.  Get 50% Off Monarch Money, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarchmoney.com with code BESTEVER Get a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale at ⁠https://www.stamps.com/cre⁠. Thanks to Stamps.com for sponsoring the show! Join the Best Ever Community  The Best Ever Community is live and growing - and we want serious commercial real estate investors like you inside. It’s free to join, but you must apply and meet the criteria.  Connect with top operators, LPs, GPs, and more, get real insights, and be part of a curated network built to help you grow. Apply now at ⁠www.bestevercommunity.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:47.4

Most LPs are familiar with multifamily self-storage or maybe even private debt funds,

1:54.0

but very few understand the quiet workhorse of commercial real estate. And in this episode,

2:02.8

I am joined by Judd Dunning,

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