Jesus and John Wayne Episode 4: Fallen Warriors (The ‘10s - Today)

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🗓️ 16 July 2021

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Calvin University history professor Kristin Kobes Du Mez joins Skye Jethani to discuss her bestselling book, "Jesus & John Wayne." In this episode, they look at the rise of Donald Trump among white evangelicals and how their response to the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol mirrors reactions to scandals involving celebrity church leaders. Du Mez also responds to criticism of her book, and where we might find hope for the future of American evangelicalism.

Part 1 - Authoritarian Pastors and the Authoritarian President
Part 2 - Insurrection and Sex Scandals (17:22)
Part 3 - Christian Media and the Marketplace (27:42)
Part 4 - Responses and Criticism (40:32)
Part 5 - Done and Undone (52:59)

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0:00.0	In January of 2016, a candidate for the presidency of the United States spoke at a small Christian
0:06.2	college in Iowa. He warned about Muslims and immigrants, he called his opponents stupid and
0:12.0	pathetic. He warned the audience that Christianity was under siege, and he boasted that he could
0:17.5	stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and he wouldn't lose any voters.
0:22.5	The crowd applauded. Into the shock of many, Evangelicals went on to vote for him in record numbers.
0:28.7	This is the story of how Evangelicalism became corrupted and fractured a nation.
0:59.6	My name is Skye Jitani. I'm the co-host of the Holy Post podcast. This is the fourth and final
1:10.5	part of my conversation with historian Kristen Kobes-Dume about her best-selling book, Jesus and John Wayne.
1:17.5	In this episode, we look at the rise of Donald Trump in the 2010s, while his appeal among white
1:23.1	Evangelicals surprised many political and religious experts, Dume wasn't one of them. She explains
1:29.2	how authoritarian and militant values had primed Evangelicals for decades. We also examine the
1:35.3	January 6th attack on the Capitol, and how Evangelical reactions to the insurrection share many
1:41.5	similarities with responses to sexual abuse scandals that have brought down many Evangelical
1:46.2	celebrity leaders lately. Finally, Dume responds to both fair and unfair criticisms of her book,
1:53.0	and where she thinks Evangelicalism is heading in the future. Time stamps for all five parts of
1:58.3	our conversation can be found in the show notes. Welcome to the final episode of Jesus and John Wayne.
2:11.4	Welcome back, Kristen. Thank you for joining us.
2:14.4	Thanks for having me back yet again.
2:16.4	Yeah, again, okay, this is our final hour together, and there's obviously an enormous amount of material we didn't cover.
2:23.2	I was, I don't think entertained is the right word for it. I don't even think amused is the right word,
2:27.9	but you have this whole chapter on Evangelical Mulligans and all the scandals and, and failures,
2:35.5	and that alone is worth the price of admission for the book, but we're going to skip over that.
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