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There's thankfully like kind of a movement of like don't

apologize for women right now.

Like stop saying you're sorry.

You don't have to apologize because you want to live your life a certain way.

And I feel like when I was younger, I always thought of that as being kind of like bitchiness. This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 15 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, a conversation with Jessica Hish about her career after having kids.

I noticed it with my daughter when I came back to work after her even just posting too much about her on Instagram

all of a sudden like all of my of my clair work dried up.

Here's Debbie, first with a word from our sponsor.

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