Jesse Michels: UFOs, David Grusch, Venture Capital

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6 • 606 Ratings

🗓️ 19 October 2023

⏱️ 144 minutes

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I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Jesse Michels examines UFO claims from David Grusch, the role of venture capital, and how private investment is shaping UFO research. We discuss misinformation, scientific implications, and the challenges of studying the phenomenon.0:55 Interviewing David Grusch9:00 Fight against misinformation in UFO studies13:07 Consciousness and parapsychology16:24 String theory and physics20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch25:59 Reverse engineering programs37:00 Oppenheimer's UFO involvement?51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes1:20:00 Lessons from investment failures1:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (Wilson memo, AATIP)1:50:01 Unseen parts of Grusch interview2:03:05 Best evidence for UFOs2:10:23 Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)2:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new paradigms2:35:03 Grusch's 2024 predictions2:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb2:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon3:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO revelationsSPONSORS:- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Subreddit: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverythingRESOURCES:- YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA- Grusch on Jesse Michels: https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw- Jesse Michels YT: https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels- A New Kind of Science (Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP- Things Hidden (Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6- Conspiracy (Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH- Zero to One (Thiel): https://amzn.to/45AneBE- The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW- Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs- Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms- 1950s quantum gravity & UFOs doc: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc- Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE- News Nation w/ Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc- UFOs and Nukes doc: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M- The Hunt for Zero Point (Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ- The Stars Are Too High (Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ- Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4- Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4- Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk- Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY- Soylent Green Creator/Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw- Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE- John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw- Theo Von: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673- Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI- Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	What's up, Kurt, and Theories of Everything podcast. I hope you enjoy this conversation with me and Kurtzai Mungle.
0:06.7	Kurt is a big inspiration for me. I love his show. I am a religious watcher of it, and I think he goes
0:14.7	deeper than just about anybody else with some of the top thinkers in the world. And so it was an honor for me to interview him.
0:21.9	This was supposed to come out actually on American Alchemy
0:24.1	around a year ago,
0:25.6	but I took a nine-month break or something like that,
0:29.0	bad timing on my part.
0:30.4	So this is a lost interview,
0:32.5	but it's an excellent conversation.
0:34.9	I hope you enjoy it.
0:36.1	It was an honor to speak to Kurt and comment below
0:39.1	if you want more conversations like this. All right. Kurt Jai Mungle, thank you for coming. This has been a
0:44.1	long time coming because I'm a huge fan of your show. And the way I like to describe your show to
0:49.1	friends of mine is basically, I think you are a deeper, smarter version of Lex Friedman.
0:56.7	I think I love Lex.
0:58.1	No offense to him.
0:59.2	I think he's awesome.
1:00.2	But in many ways, he's got the kind of Larry King kind of audience surrogate thing going
1:05.2	on where he doesn't have any context going into the interview.
1:08.1	He has super basic questions.
1:10.2	And then sort of parapetetically, like, gains context through the interview. Yeah, super basic questions. And then sort of parapetetically, like,
1:12.5	gains context through the interview. You come in, like, knowing everything about the person's
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