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Wild Card with Rachel Martin

Jenny Han insists on hope

Wild Card with Rachel Martin

NPR

Society & Culture

4.7990 Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Jenny Han feels like the same person as her teenage self – which might explain why her books and their adaptations connect so strongly with teen audiences. Her "To All The Boys" and "The Summer I Turned Pretty" franchises are streaming juggernauts – among teens and adults. Jenny spoke with Rachel about the importance of writing about love and why embarrassment feels so close to the surface.

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0:00.0

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0:08.5

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0:11.7

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0:16.3

What emotion do you understand better than all the others?

0:19.7

I would say embarrassment.

0:22.0

I think I am very shameforward.

0:28.2

And I think, to me, it's the only emotion that you can feel as acutely right now as you did in the moment.

0:37.5

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation.

0:44.5

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life, questions pulled from a deck of cards.

0:50.7

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me. My guest this week is writer and

0:56.6

showrunner Jenny Hahn. I really must insist on hope. And I do think that that is for me

1:04.3

the only real difference between writing stories for a young audience and for adults is a hopeful ending.

1:14.1

As of this summer, I am officially the parent of a teenager. And I am ready for all the beauty

1:19.8

and emotional messiness that this experience will bring because we all know that this stage of life

1:25.3

is, I don't know, I guess I'll use the word intense.

1:28.5

It is so intense.

1:30.5

The rampant insecurity about our bodies or our social status or our parents' expectations, I remember all of that.

1:38.0

And personally, I was just desperate to get on the other side of adolescence.

1:43.1

Jenny Hahn also struggled with parts of her teenage years,

1:46.4

but instead of locking it all away in some mental box and moving on with her life, Jenny made it

1:52.8

her life. Her books are a modern take on the timeless challenges of growing up. And yes, that includes

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