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Are there any recurring symbols that show up in your life?

Every time there is some huge shift in my life, every time there's a change, I have often seen a dead

cockroach.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh.

You should laugh.

It's really funny.

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation.

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life, questions pulled from a deck of cards.

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me.

My guest this week is film director Celine's song.

I believe that love is something

that always troubles me, you know, and I think that that's really the reason why I get so

interested in it. There's something countercultural about Celine's songs movies. Like everything in

our lives now moves so fast, right? We speed through our social media feeds. Our phones are filled with

20-second video clips. Even the pace and dialogue in movies can feel like rapid fire.

Celine's song makes movies that force everyone watching to just slow down. And by doing so,

we get to linger in the most profound moments, the power of a long silence, a gaze that says more than any dialogue could.

She's a writer and director who understands that emotional intimacy is just as important as a good story.

And that is clear in both her debut feature Past lives and her new film materialists.

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