Jennifer Hillman and Clark Packard on Trade and National Security, Part Deux
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🗓️ 21 July 2018
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
The Trump administration has taken an aggressive stance on U.S. trade relations, opting for bilateral negotiations, and in many cases, eschewing the multilateral trade order. The administration is collapsing the distinction between economic security and national security, and this has been painfully apparent in our trade war with China. Tensions with China are escalating. On Tuesday, Lawfare senior editor Shannon Togawa Mercer sat down with Jennifer Hillman, former World Trade Organization Appellate Body member, commissioner on the United States international Trade Commission, and general counsel at the Office of the United States Trade Representative; and Clark Packard, trade policy counsel at the R Street Institute, to hash it all out. They talked about China, the WTO, and this administration’s incoherent trade strategy.
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| 0:30.0 | My concern is what the president is doing is telling everybody in the world, |
| 0:38.0 | don't trust the United States. Don't enter into agreement with the United States, |
| 0:42.0 | unless it has an explicit provision in it that says it will take an act of Congress to get into this agreement |
| 0:48.0 | and it will take an act of Congress to get out. |
| 0:51.0 | That is really my concern, is that if you step back from what the Trump administration is doing, |
| 0:57.0 | it's undermining any trust or confidence that anybody has, |
| 1:01.0 | that they can take the United States as a word for it. |
| 1:05.0 | And I think secondly, it is undermining the sense that participation in terms of exerting a leadership |
| 1:15.0 | by the United States in any multilateral forum can be counted on. |
| 1:20.0 | That the United States can count, that you can count on the United States to assume a leadership role |
| 1:25.0 | as the world's largest economy, as the largest superpower in the world. |
| 1:30.0 | We should be the leader at NATO, we should be the leader in the United Nations, |
| 1:34.0 | we should be the leader at the WTO, and we're not. |
| 1:38.0 | I'm Shannon Tagawa-Merser, and you're listening to the LawFair podcast to lie 21st, 2018. |
| 1:45.0 | The Trump administration has taken an aggressive stance on U.S. trade relations, |
| 1:49.0 | opting for bilateral negotiations, and in many cases, |
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