Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome, the podcast that speaks with awesome people about awesome topics.

And the topic is God.

Part two, my conversation with Jennifer Fulweiler.

And what is God to you?

Stay tuned.

By the way, Jen Fulweiler has six children.

I just want to let that sit out there and I met all of them and they're beautiful, well-behaved.

If you are anything, you're the poster person for conversion because of the way your children behave. If this is the product of a Catholic home, oh my God, those kids are amazing. No, they're well adjusted. They're humorous. They're beautiful. And they know how to behave in public. Well, that's because we were on the Karen Hunter show. I know. You keep saying that. I'm not going to bring our mess into your studio. I am not buying that. I'm not buying that you gave him the evil eye and you threaten them. I'm not. Those kids, that's like training that you can't do it one day. So I just want to applaud you for that. Thank you. But stop by our house in Texas sometimes. You'll see a different. I'm going to do surprise, public visit. All right. So first time you visited a Catholic church. Gosh, yeah. Okay. So the first time we visited a Catholic church was kind of when we were still

exploring this process. And I was freaked out. I thought like an atheist detector was going to go off.

When I walked in, they were like, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, I had no idea what was going on.

It really freaked me out. But, you know, one thing I did notice, and something hit me when I walked in. So my dad grew up in Mexico, and I had had a little bit of exposure to Catholicism because when my grandparents came back to the states, they were very closely in touch with the immigrant community, which back in the 70s and 80s, I mean, there were no resources for these

guides, varying states of legality, some of our friends. And my grandparents' home became the

touchstone for the immigrant community. Again, don't ask, don't tell policy when it came to

who had their papers and who didn't. And so I just had all these memories of these wonderful immigrants. They were all

Catholic. And what I noticed is at their churches, they went to the same churches as the rich people.

You know, I'd hear, oh, my husband knew through business school, this guy who's now a CEO, and they

would say, oh, yeah, he goes to St. Williams. And I'd be like, wow, you know, my friend who's

barely getting by, probably not legal, doesn't speak the language. She goes to that same church.

And I looked around at the congregation and I said, I see not only diversity in terms of racial

diversity, but I see diversity, socioeconomic diversity. You see guys

who pretty clearly just came in off of working construction jobs. Then you see the guy in the

$800 suit. And I said, that's interesting, the way I see people being brought together in a way

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