Hello and welcome to the Scriptures or Real podcast.

This is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures that have become real to us

because we believe that helps us draw more power out of them and we need all the power from the scriptures we can

get i'm your host kerry milstein and i'm so happy to have my friend and colleague with us today

jennifer platt rinkerhoff who i've known for i don't know like maybe 10 years now something like that

she used to teach here for us at b yu is a fantastic teacher. I have to share this story.

I can remember one day my wife came to me. I think she sat in on some of your classes and some of your

Education Week stuff and she said, Jennifer is the best teacher you have in your department.

And I said, you know, I'm in my department, don't you? And she said, yeah, I know.

And I was like, oh, okay, I see how this goes. But anyway, I felt the same way. I sat in on a number

of classes. Just a gifted teacher, a wonderful person. I'll let her explain why I would say this.

I think she's the only faculty member, a religious educator that I know, who was always talking about coffee all the time.

But I'll let her tell us why maybe she would talk about coffee so often.

Anyway, welcome, Jennifer.

Would you tell us a little about yourself?

It's good to be with you.

Yeah, when I first came to interview at BYU, it was 2011 when I finished my doctoral studies at Arizona State

University. And I had spent my time studying the Ethiopian coffee ceremony. And I don't remember

who it was that asked, what do you have to bring to BYU? And I said coffee. And it kind of became the joke, didn't it?

Yeah.

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