Welcome to the Gospel Coalition podcast, where we help to renew and unify the contemporary church in the ancient gospel.

Today's podcast is a conversation with Mike Kruger and Jen Wilkin on understanding the book of Revelation.

It was recorded at our 2025 National Conference.

This is my fault.

Sorry about that, everybody.

We had a little mix up in timing there.

Jen, do you want to share about the secret rapture that just happened?

I wanted Mike to think I got raptured.

That was basically what it was.

Yeah, no, we had a time zone problem with my calendar,

and so I was definitely going to be here an hour from now.

So, anyway, I'm so sorry.

And I'm out of breath.

Well, while Jen is catching her breath, let me welcome you to this session on the Book

of Revelation.

We're so excited you're here.

And I'm really excited Jen is here now, right?

Yeah.

Dramatic entrance.

I got to admit, I did think the rapture happened and she was gone and all of us are apparently

non-Christian, so I don't know exactly what to think about that. I was like, but the whole room is here. So either she's extra holy and we're all in trouble. I'm not sure what to make of it, but this was all designed to be an illustration of the way the Book of Revelation has precarious ups and downs to it. But no, we're thrilled you're here and sorry for the delay, but we're excited to jump into this book because we love this book together and have talked about it a number of different times. And we think it's just a fantastic chance to dive into this with you and talk about the riches of Revelation, which this title is all about. If you don't know me, I'm Mike Kruger. I'm the president

of Reform Seminary in Charlotte and Professor of New Testament, and Jen is, of course, needing no

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