Hello media consumers. This is the press box Brian Curtis and David Shoemaker here. Our

topic is once again the protests in response to the killing of George Floyd. We'll talk

to Philadelphia and Quirer columnist Will Bunch about police unions. How did unions get

us to this spot in American life? And how could they prevent future efforts at reform?

New York Times editorial page editor James Bennett has resigned after publishing an

op-ed by Tom Cotton. David and I discuss whether we're going to see a massive change in

the way op-ed sections are run. First, we welcome Jamel Hill. She's a writer at the Atlantic

coast of the Jamel Hill is unbothered podcast and also co-hosted the Ringard podcast, the

wire way down in the hole. Thank you for doing this Jamel. Thank you for having me.

George Floyd was killed by a Minneapolis police officer on May 25th. The protests are

now in their 14th day with huge crowds over the weekend from LA to Philadelphia. I first

want to ask you this, what is striking to you about where the protests are now both

from the scenes we see on TV and their effects beyond that? Certainly they'll let the time

as you just noted for this to have gone on now for two weeks. I certainly expect that

people in the moment and in the aftermath to be so emotionally affected by this tragedy

that the momentum would certainly be there. But I never expected it to sustain for as long

as it did. I'll have to say that I think also the fact that the nature of the protests

has changed has really been as effective, I think, as the unrest part of the protests.

It's in two different parts. Part one, a lot of unrest, a lot of rebellion. It was certainly

more of a physical nature with property being destroyed and all those kinds of things.

Then there and obviously clashes with the police, which are still happening, but a little

bit less than it was at the beginning. Now it's changed into a full scale wholesale movement

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