And the We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jersinski

culture editor here at The Federalist. As always you can email the show at radio at the Federalist.com.

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joined today by Jeff Paul. He is the author of the new book

Winning America's Second Civil War,

Progressivism's authoritarian threat,

where it came from, and how to defeat it.

He is also a research professor

in the Social Philosophy Center at West Virginia University.

Jeff, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you for having me.

Of course, and before we started taping, you mentioned that this book, again, it is called

Winning America's Second Civil War has been on your list on your agenda

for more than a decade some 15 years

Can you tell us a little bit about why that is? A lot of people maybe didn't feel like we were in such a cultural emergency or a period of urgency until maybe 20-20.

But you say this has been on your mind for a long time. Can you tell us a little

what about that? Yeah, when you go to graduate school, indeed when you're an undergraduate school, even though this was in my case a very long time ago.

I was an undergraduate in the 60s and a graduate student in the late 60s into the early 70s. The first thing you notice if you're in the social

sciences or the humanity is the disparity in political outlook between what you find in universities and

what you find outside of universities.

And it's so dramatic that you wonder

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