Jeffrey Goldberg and Joe Weisenthal: Pandora's Box Has Been Opened
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🗓️ 24 March 2026
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
A war of choice may evolve into a war of necessity because the brains at the White House apparently did not anticipate that Iran—in response to the bombing campaign—would shut down the Strait of Hormuz, which the global economy depends on being open. It's also not a good look for the U.S. to be got by a power like Iran because China is watching. Plus, how the war is impacting the supply chain, the markets may be underpricing oil because traders keep banking on Trump to do his usual TACO, and Israel acting like an illiberal Middle Eastern regime is creating a disconnect with American Jews.
The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg and Bloomberg’s Joe Weisenthal join Tim Miller.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, welcome to the board podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. |
| 0:16.1 | We got a double header today, a double header tomorrow. |
| 0:19.8 | A great guest Thursday. |
| 0:20.8 | We said too many good guests. |
| 0:22.3 | Okay. |
| 0:22.7 | So we're just giving you just a bounty of content on the podcast this week. |
| 0:29.2 | In addition to that, tonight, Tuesday night on YouTube, I'll be live streaming and taking |
| 0:33.7 | your questions around 830 Easter time. |
| 0:36.5 | So go on to the board YouTube feed. In segment two, we got my man Joe Wisenthal, the stalwart, who is going to talk about the economics of the Iran War. But up first, he's the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic. You might have heard of that magazine. We have guests from there from time to time. And he's moderator of Washington Week with the Atlantic. It's Jeffrey Goldberg. How you doing, Jeff? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing pretty well. |
| 0:59.5 | What are you? What does that say? It says broadcast love. It's a, it's a patch at a woman, at a hippie |
| 1:07.1 | woman at the Venice market. You know, what are the libs call this stuff? You have, you know, farmers market. Yeah, the farmers market. Which one? The one in Venice, California. Oh, Venice. Oh, that is in Van Ness in Washington. That's another good one. She came up to me and said that she had all her family used to be Republicans. She can't talk to them anymore. |
| 1:48.1 | And I'm her only lifeline. And she wants to give me gifts. And so she made me a patch and a little piece of art. And it was very nice. It was very sweet moment. We had embraced. Are you a Republican? I'm not. No, I haven't been since, what, 2020. I can't remember. Yeah. What are you now? I mean, I am a podcaster now. I'm a content creator. Oh, is that a party? Well, kind of. I mean, we're growing. I mean, it is a party. |
| 1:54.0 | We're growing in numbers. I mean, I'm functionally a Democrat. I voted for one Republican since |
| 1:59.9 | 2016. And it was a guy. What do you believe in? Like, are you a conservative |
| 2:03.9 | Democrat? I love having Jeffrey Goldberg on the show because it's like immediately I get to be in the |
| 2:10.0 | guest seat, which is way more fun than asking the questions. Yeah, but what do you believe in? Do you still |
| 2:14.7 | have conservative ideals? You know, I talked about this at great length for like probably over an hour on an Atlantic sponsored podcast, the David from show. I missed that. I missed that. And he asked me about this just like a week ago. No, so it's fine. So if you want the long story, it's that. I listen to all our podcasts, Atlantic staff. Sometimes they stack up. |
| 2:35.9 | Okay, well, good. |
| 2:36.8 | When you get to this one and you get to this one in the queue, you can get the long answer. |
| 2:39.6 | The short answer is, I'm a small L liberal, and we only have one small L liberal party in the country anymore. |
| 2:47.7 | And so for a while, I'm with them. |
| 3:11.4 | No, the Democrats, not the DSA. So for a while, I'm with them. No, the Democrats, not the DSA. So for a while, I'm with them functionally. But you're willing to move back to a reformed Republican party. I don't think that's going to happen. No. I'm not asking you whether you think it's going to happen. I'm asking you, if it did happen, would you move back to a... I mean, sure. I don't know. Like if the Democrats became illiberal and then, you know, |
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