Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller.

We have another doubleheader today. In segment two, we get real heavy on foreign policy with Phil Gordon, who is Kamala's

national security advisor. A lot of conversation out there right now about what Harris foreign policy

would have looked like in that magical alternate universe. And so we figured we'd ask the guy who

would know the answer to that. So stick around in segment two for that. Also just a reminder for everybody,

No, Kings is coming on Saturday. I've got an interview coming up later this week with Ezra Levin, who's organizing that for Indivisible. So keep an eye out for that. But first, we're going to have little fun. She's a co-host of the podcast, I've Had It, an IHIP News, also an attorney and co-author of the book,

Life is a Le Susan of shit sandwiches.

Yep. And I just found out this morning, she's a Bullwark Plus member. So get on board. It's

Angie Pump Sullivan. Hi, thanks for having me. Yes, a Bullwork Plus member. I just saw it

auto renew. Great. We appreciate your support member. I just saw it auto renew.

Great. We appreciate your support and I don't know what the rest of you are waiting for.

And it looks like you just lost your earpot into your bra there again. Yeah, I got it out, though. Okay. So we're good, though. We're good now. If anyone's like me, right, you do, you guys have these niche, niche following. So I want to get to politics,

but I want your backstory. A lot of people may know you, like if they're on social media as the other one on IHIP because your co-host, Jen is always going viral for like calling Trump cancels McTacow tits or something like crazy like that. And so we want to get your perspective as well. But I saw you guys before that.

I was on an airplane.

I don't know if you do this.

I'd do a little market research. And I look at what podcast people are listening to as I'm walking down the aisle. And I saw a couple of girls listening to I hip or I hip news. I forget. And I was like, what is this? And I asked a couple of the gays and realized that

you had a huge fan base. A couple of them had a reality show called Sweet Home, Oklahoma. I knew

nothing about. So for people who are like me, let's give us your hero origin story.

Okay, so Jennifer and I started being friends like 25 years ago. I hired her to decorate a kitchen

remodel. And she came into my house. She immediately insulted my taste. And I knew I had bad taste.

That's why I hired her. And I was like, I know I have bad taste. I immediately insulted it,

which just I fell head over heels for that because she is so honest.

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