Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening.

Hey, today's guest, listen, this is important to me.

Today's guest is Jeffrey Dumun, who plays Chuck Senior, Chuck, Charles Road Senior, on Billions, and is not only an actor whose work I love, but a guy that I've come to love.

So this is a really, really special and important to have Jeff here.

Jeff, thanks for doing this.

Oh, you bet, my pleasure.

So, you've been at this acting game a while and I want to go back to the beginning if I can.

Okay. Let's do it because...

Man, yeah.

I didn't knock a few cobwebs out of the way. Yeah, let's do it.

Because, I mean, your career has been amazing, you know, you have the first line in

Shawshank Redemption. You're in all of Daribont's films in one way or another. You've been nominated for Tony,

Emmy, you want a Drama Circle Award, you've done all this incredible stuff, but you've also done, I think, this rare thing of remaining

a bit of a minute. You're an actor. I don't think people really know you that well. And I think you have the point in your in your career where it's not a bad

thing to let people understand with some people really are meeting you in this

role that's true That's true.

That's true.

People who don't go to the theater,

who were younger when those movies came out.

And maybe they saw, no.

And I don't think there's a huge crossover with the walking dead

and no and the watches of this show probably not I imagine different people come up to you

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